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		<title>Re-learning the Internet in another language.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dariusz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometime around when I was 14 years old the World Wide Web showed up. and it seems that I have been developing with it ever since. So never, ever did I expect to be as lost on the Internet as I currently am: it feels like the one domain where I should be competent. With [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometime around when I was 14 years old the World Wide Web showed up. and it seems that I have been developing with it ever since.  So never, ever did I expect to be as lost on the Internet as I currently am: it feels like the one domain where I should be competent.  With the help of an anonymous invite donor, I signed up for <a href="http://www.grono.net/">grono.net</a>, a Polish social networking site akin to <a href="http://www.facebook.com/">Facebook</a> or <a href="http://www.myspace.com/">MySpace.</a> I thought the transition would be simple enough, and within an hour or so my profile would be set up and I&#8217;d be arguing about the merits of European hip-hop in no time. Boy, was I wrong.</p>
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I just want to preface this experience with the fact that I speak Polish quite well; it&#8217;s my first language, I lived in the country til the ripe age of 7, my parents continue to speak Polish to me on the phone.  My technical term knowledge isn&#8217;t great, but I anticipated that would come quickly with exposure.</p>
<h2>Signing Up and &#8220;Logging&#8221; Things</h2>
<p>Anyways, so I&#8217;m signing up for this service, and I realise within seconds that I don&#8217;t recognise words.  The whole thing feels foreign and uninviting, even though it is laid out quite well.  I&#8217;m used to getting clues and cues about the state of things from the visual elements and words on a page. I&#8217;m missing the familiar combination of &#8220;password,&#8221; &#8220;forgot,&#8221;  and &#8220;logout.&#8221;  What the hell is a <span style="font-style: italic;">haslo</span>? OK, <span style="font-style: italic;">haslo</span> is password, good.  <span style="font-style: italic;">Wyloguj</span>.  Is that Log In, or Log out.  <span style="font-style: italic;">Wy-Loguj</span>.  Is &#8220;wy&#8221; the in- or out- modifier?  I start wondering what it would be like if I was entirely new to the Internet and didn&#8217;t really understand what I was &#8220;logging&#8221; into or out of in the first place.  What am I logging? Trees?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m already confused. No matter, keep on registering.  I&#8217;m looking for &#8220;Canada&#8221; on the list of countries, no dice. Oh right, <span style="font-style: italic;">Kanada</span>. I can imagine that being frustrating for someone from <span style="font-style: italic;">Deutschland,</span> having to find Germany all the time.  At least the Polish word for Poland starts with <span style="font-style: italic;">P</span>. Moving on, there is no province field, and none of my home towns show up in the list of cities. I feel like I&#8217;m setting up a <span style="font-style: italic;">profil </span>with an incomplete identity.</p>
<h2>Terms I Don&#8217;t Understand</h2>
<p>I&#8217;ve successfully registered! OK, next, onto site navigation.  Once again, thank God I know roughly what the registration process entails .. me entering some stuff including some unique identifier that is not my actual identifier (name), a communication outlet like email, some details, press a button, that &#8220;registers&#8221; me, and takes me to a &#8220;home page&#8221; (or <span style="font-style: italic;">Strona Glowna</span>) .. the Head-ish Page.  I&#8217;m looking at the buttons across the top of the page.  Some of them make sense:  <span style="font-style: italic;">Fotki i Filmy</span>, Pictures and Videos.  <span style="font-style: italic;">Ogloszenia</span> are Classifieds, just like in the newspaper.  I feel more comfortable.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://grabka.org/internet/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/confusing_grono.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-48" title="confusing_grono" src="http://grabka.org/internet/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/confusing_grono.png" alt="Foreign internet terms in grono.net." width="481" height="159" /></a></p>
<p>I see this term &#8220;w gronie&#8221; everywhere. I assume it has something to do with the name of the website, but I&#8217;m not entirely sure what the connotation is.  A grono, as the logo of the website implies, is a grouping of things on a stalk .. <span style="font-style: italic;">winogrona</span> means grapes.  I&#8217;m assuming I&#8217;m a grape.  Just goes to show how important the name of your website is in determining expected activity on the site.  In frustration, a Polish blogged indicated that <a href="http://grono.blogspot.com/2005/06/grono-kupa.html">grono may also mean .. shit</a>.</p>
<p>Now, what the hell are <span style="font-style: italic;">Grona i Fora</span>? Didn&#8217;t I just establish that I was a <span style="font-style: italic;">winogrono</span>/grape. I click it and recognise the familiar groups and forums setup.  I&#8217;m not sure which are groups, which are forums, which are threads. What&#8217;s a thread anyways?  Why do we call them threads?  Like, a thread in a tapestry, that is a forum?  I see these terms: <span style="font-style: italic;">Obserwowane</span>, <span style="font-style: italic;">Moderowane</span>, <span style="font-style: italic;">Fora</span>.  Observed, Moderated, Forums.  Thank sweet lord that I spent years on TorontoCivics, Honda-Tech, and Stillepost .. otherwise the concept of a &#8220;moderated forum&#8221; would be foreign and confusing to me.</p>
<p>So I think I&#8217;ve found a forum (or is it a group?), and it has threads in it.  The word <span style="font-style: italic;">temat</span> (topic) shows up a lot, so does <span style="font-style: italic;">watek</span>. <span style="font-style: italic;">Watek</span> is the word for grape stalk in Polish &#8230; so &#8230; I&#8217;m getting a little tired of the grape analogy already.  Especially once I figure out that &#8220;topic&#8221; and &#8220;thread&#8221;, or in this case <span style="font-style: italic;">temat</span> and <span style="font-style: italic;">watek</span> are actually the same thing, while <span style="font-style: italic;">grona </span>(stalks) and <span style="font-style: italic;">fora</span> (forums) are not.  Then there are <span style="font-style: italic;">posty</span> (posts). What really is a post? What makes it different from a message or a comment?</p>
<h2>And now, first pr0st &#8230;</h2>
<p>Like a good citizen, I&#8217;ve decided to read before posting too much.  Needless to say, the language, lexicon, and etiquette are different than they would be in English-speaking North American forums.  I don&#8217;t have good insight into it yet, other than knowing that I&#8217;d be the worst kind of n00b: barely-speaks-the-language-n00b. Luckily there are English-language groups and <em>grona</em>, and the majority of young Polish internet-savvy social networkers speak a little English.</p>
<h2>Lessons Learned</h2>
<p>So as a web guy, it&#8217;s nice to get reminded of the few things that I take for granted when participating in or developing web communities:</p>
<ul>
<li>People use familiar text and images as cues for activity and context.  This is hard to understand until the cues you&#8217;re used to go away &#8230; you know to look for login boxes and submit buttons, for example, but their meaning is thrown in doubt when the text labels change.</li>
<li>The registration process is foreign to most people who don&#8217;t already use forums.  Don&#8217;t assume people know what logging in, logging out, registering, and profiles are.</li>
<li>Ads in the sweet spots centred, above-the-fold totally throw off initial orientation.</li>
<li>Community terminology doesn&#8217;t have to follow the standard &#8220;forum&#8221;, &#8220;post&#8221;, &#8220;admin&#8221; line. New users may have a better understanding of &#8220;topic&#8221;, &#8220;message&#8221;, and &#8220;community moderator.&#8221;</li>
<li>Be consistent with terminology, and careful about name-branding choices (grape, wth.)</li>
<li>The language of web communities is something that&#8217;s difficult to pick up as foreign national.  Dedicated foreigner-friendly forums can&#8217;t hurt.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>How to get invited to Web 2.x betas</title>
		<link>http://grabka.org/internet/2008/04/how-to-get-invited-to-web-2x-betas/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dariusz</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Software Development]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that the most interesting up-and-coming web applications go through a private, invitation-only beta phase before being launched to the public. This was certainly the case with Google Mail, the Yahoo! Mail do-over, and one service that I&#8217;m particularly interested in: grono.net. Unfortunately, none of my friends or relatives use that service, so getting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the most interesting up-and-coming web applications go through a private, invitation-only beta phase before being launched to the public.  This was certainly the case with Google Mail, the Yahoo! Mail do-over, and one service that I&#8217;m particularly interested in:  <a href="http://www.grono.net/">grono.net</a>.  Unfortunately, none of my friends or relatives use that service, so getting an invitation isn&#8217;t likely.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s obviously a need here that needs to be filled: begging strangers for invitations to web beta&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve found a few places to share invitations, but by far the most beautiful and appealing is <a href="http://www.inviteshare.com/">InviteShare.com</a>.  What a gorgeous, well-thought-out design.</p>
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<a href="http://www.inviteshare.com/index.php">Invite Share</a><br />
<a href="http://www.inviteshare.com/community"><img src="http://www.inviteshare.com/images/button_community_new.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />
And please, if you have a grono.net invitation, please <a href="http://www.inviteshare.com/site.php?id=12">share it with me</a>.</p>
<h2>Discovery</h2>
<p>An interesting thing about services like InviteShare is that they promote upcoming projects, aiding in discovery of new and interesting things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking a look through <a href="http://mash.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Mash</a> right now.  It took about 15 minutes after posting on InviteShare before someone offered me an invitation.  Mash looks like it has tremendous promise:  a social networking service with the chaotic aesthetic of MySpace, but the coherent usability of Facebook.</p>
<p>(Via <a href="http://www.surflizard.com/archives/share-the-beta-love/424">a SurfLizard post</a>)</p>
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